27a Rava Before Two Dots

27a Rava Before Two Dots

We learned about a Machlokes Between the Tana Kama and Rabbi Yehuda. They both agree that if you find an object not worth a perutah you can keep it, but they disagree where we know this halacha from.

Multiple Choice

The Tana Kama learns this halacha from the word

• לְשִׂמְלָתוֹ֒

• אֲשֶׁר־תֹּאבַ֥ד

• מִמֶּ֖נּוּ

• וּמְצָאתָ֑הּ

Rabbi Yehuda:

Rabbi Yehuda learns this halacha from the word וּמְצָאתָ֑הּ

Rava

In the new Gemara we will learn today, we will see that Rava holds indeed there is a practical difference between the Tana Kama and Rabbi Yehuda.

Rava

We will see that Rava will try to come up with a case where the two Tanaim argue. The first two times he comes up with a case the Gemara will say that they are not good suggestions. Finally on the third try the Gemara will accept the suggestion of Rava.

First Attempt

You will have to figure out the first case Rava will suggest. Here are your hints:
1. I am valuable when I am lost but get cheap when I'm found.

2.
 $\uparrow$  Perutah
 $\downarrow$  Perutah

Multiple Choice

Which of the following is the first case of Rava?

• The item when lost was a perutah and after it was found then decreased in value

• The item was a perutah and before it was lost went down in value and was lost when it was less than a perutah

• The Item was a perutah when lost then while it was on the street went below a perutah value and before it was found went back up to a perutah and then it was found

• The item when lost was a perutah and then before it was found went below the value of a perutah and then it was found

Explanation of the first suggestion:

Since the Tana Kama learns the halacha of shava peruta from the word אֲשֶׁר־תֹּאבַ֥ד that means if the item was lost when it was a perutah but when it was found it was worth less you have to return it since when it was lost it was worth a perutah. According to Rabbi Yehuda, since he learns the halacha from the word וּמְצָאתָ֑הּ that means if the item was lost when it was a perutah but when it was found it was worth less you can keep it since when it was found it was worth less.

According to the suggestion of Rava it comes out that in the case where the item was worth a perutah and then went down in value, Rabbi Yehuda would hold that you can keep it since at the time it was found it was not worth a perutah. And the Tana Kama would hold you return it since....

Multiple Choice

Since...

• At the time it was lost it was worth more than a perutah

• At the time it was lost it was worth less than a perutah

• At the time it was found it was worth more than a perutah

• At the time it was found it was worth less than a perutah

Second Attempt

You will have to figure out the second case Rava will suggest. Here are your hints:
1. I am not valuable when I am lost but get expensive when I'm found.

2.  $\downarrow$  perutah

 $\uparrow$  perutah

Multiple Choice

Which of the following is the second suggestion of Rava?

• When the item was lost it was worth a perutah and then it went down in price and then when it was found it was worth less than a perutah

• When the item was lost it was worth less than a perutah and then it went up in price and then when it was found it was worth more than a perutah

• When the item was lost it was worth a perutah and then it went down in price and before it was found it went back up to a perutah

• None of the above

Explanation of the second suggestion:

Since at the time when the object was lost it was not worth a perutah and only when it was found it was worth a perutah, the Tana Kama would hold that you can keep it since at the time it was lost it was not worth a perutah. Rabbi Yehuda would hold you have to return it since at the time when it was found it was worth a perutah.