Gemara Hakones - Sugya 9c

who said a שומר אבידה is like a שומר שכר

• רבה

• רבא

• ר׳ יוסף

• ר׳ יהודה

who said a שומר אבידה is like a שומר חנם

• רבה

• רבא

• ר׳ יוסף

• ר׳ יהודה

MATCH

a

b

c

רבה's answer

words of the ברייתא

explaining how its a proof

​ איתיביה: לעולם הוא חייב עד שיחזירנה לרשותוֹ מאי לעולם? לאו אפילו מביתו, ש״מ: כשומר שכר דמיִ

Our challenge is against ​ (a)    

• רבה
• ר יוסף

לעולם הוא חייב עד שיחזירנה לרשות

Explain how this ברייתא challenges him: 

• when it says “you are responsible until to return it” seems like if it gets stolen you are responsible

• when it says “you are responsible until to return it” seems like if it gets stolen you are not responsible for it

• when it sats “forever” you can learn that you are responsible for it because hashem is also “forever” watching you

• its a challenge because it says the word עד and when every it says עד its a proof like a witness (עד)

What number proof is this?

Mathematical Equivalence

ON

Where dose one need to return a lost object to

• The place he found it

• To the owner

• He can keep it no need to return it

• The torah dose not tell us

One ​ (a)   take care of a lost object until he finds the owner

• need to
• Dose not need to

Dose the gemara know for sure the Halacha if someone found a lost object and it got stolen

• Yes

• No its a machlokes

EC: What is a שומר?

• A guard

• A barber

• a judge

• a seller