Interview with Russian Ambassador to the UK Andrei Kelin

The transcript discusses Russia's initial interest in joining NATO during the early 2000s under President Putin, as mentioned by George Robertson, the then NATO Secretary General. It highlights personal discussions and the unrealistic nature of this idea at the time. The transcript concludes with the changes in NATO and Russia's political landscape.

What distinction does the speaker make between realistic and non-realistic things in the context of NATO and Russia?

How does the speaker describe the change in nature regarding Russia's relationship with NATO over time?