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Worksheetshamfkid 33b
Total questions: 15
Worksheet time: 14mins
When the gemora says צְרִיכִי - what is needed?
Both cases in the Mishna (the reisha and the seifa)
Both examples in the 1st case
guard options (he must swear and pay)
Both payments; double and 4 times
if the mishna only said Kelim i would think
that the Shomer will only get Kafel for Behaimoh
that the Shomer will only get Kafel for Kelim
that Kelim are very easy to look after
that since Kelim only gets double he gets Kafel
if the mishna only said Behaimoh i would think
that the Shomer will only get Kafel for Behaimoh
that the Shomer will get kafel by behaima and cetainly for Kelim as its only 2 by kelim
that Behaimoh are hard to look after and therefore the SHomer gets Kafel for Behaimoh
i would be so confused
נפיש טירחה
a lot of effort
little effort
a lot of kafel
little kafel
לא נפיש טירחה
a lot of effort
little effort
a lot of kafel
little kafel
the Mishna needs to write בהמה & כלים as if it:
only write one we would know the other but we like to spell things out
only write one we wouldn't know the other
as keylim are people too
YOU CAN NOT BE SERIOUS
בהמה are
harder to look after than kelim
easier to look after than kelim
able to have a Kafel of 4/5
gonna have a Kafel of only double
כלים are
harder to look after than Behaimoh
easier to look after than Behaimoh
able to have a Kafel of 4/5
able to have a Kafel of only double
If a person pays for an item , that isn't around. Does he become the owner? (acc to the gemaras question)
Yes.
he gets the tree but not the fruit
He doesn't get anything, as there is nothing for him to aquire.
He only gets future rights, but doesnt get the actual item
When the gemora says וַאֲפִילוּ לר״מ - what is it trying to do?
A proof for the gemora's question about future rights
brining a proof who gets kafel
we are knocking off an implied answer that would have explained the mishna
explaining why the shomer should get kafel even if he didnt pay
When would R Meir say you could buy something that does not exist?
Only when the item that it comes from is in existence now (like a tree growing fruit)
When its likely to happen
only if you use a real kinyan, like writing a document
he really says you cant ever, the gemara explains that he meant something else
What is the concern of דִּלְמָא מוֹדֵי וּמִפְּטַר ?
Perhaps the guard will pay and therefore, HE will get the kofel.
Perhaps we will find the thief and we wont have funds to pay.
Perhaps the thief will admit his guilt, and therefore, not have to pay double
Perhaps the thief will admit his guilt, and therefore, will only need to pay 1.5 instead of double
R' Zeira asks מַתְקִיף לַהּ ר׳ זֵירָא אִי הָכִי on amud aleph- what does אִי הָכִי go on?
That the guard assumed ownership and gets kofel
That the guard retroactively becomes owner from the start
That the Mishna is only talking about an animal
That the guard only becomes owner is he actually pays.
The gemora asnwers סְתָמָא דְּמִלְּתָא to r Zeiras Question- what is the nature of peopele?
To ask their friends to watch their stuff
To sell the right of kofel and other rights
To sell the rights of kofel only.
To never sell any rights away
What is the difference between the 2 verisons of Rava's answer?
Nothing. They are basically the same.
They differ about whether the guard becomes owner or not
They differ what is the kinyan, Either giving over the animal or kinyan chatzer (courtyard)
They differ when the guard becomes the owner. Either from the start or a few minutes before the theft
